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 Post Posted: Sun Apr 25, 2010 9:00 pm 
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After not having a problem for ages I've suffered two needle knot failures in quick sucession with flourocarbon (xline). I'm using 6 turns in the knot. Does anyone have any alternatives that they use with flouro to leadcore leaders?


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flouro don't like the needle knot, especially hard flouro like x-line

on X-line box it tells you the knots you can use :wink:


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Threw that away Dom. :) any ideas on the knot names and I'll look them up?


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Rob what about a half blood back to back ??. Gary

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Hi Gary, don't fancy that with leadcore!


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Palomar and knotless it says on the box Rob :wink:

That said i use the figure of 8 loop with no problems to attach to a spliced loop in the leadcore, this way i can change the leader without tying a new knot

when you tie a needle knot you need to bed it down really tight cos if it moves at all (tightens more) under pressure it will break due to the brittleness of fluoro


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robhale wrote:
Hi Gary, don't fancy that with leadcore!


Sorry Rob i did not read your post corectly. Gary

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Dom that was the alternative although I was really hoping to use the needle knot concept with a different knot (ie not a grinner) as it's very neat. Gary no problem mate, I actually use a back to back with any other line to line joins, just not with leadcore.


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What about this one Rob. Gary

http://www.zimbio.com/Fishing+Knots/art ... eader+Knot

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Palomar is the only knot to use with X- line. All others will let you down :wink:


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It's scary the effect of tying the knot correctly (or rather rushing it) has on the knot strength. I've heard reports of the palomar reducing knot strength by 30% on flouro, but will have to give it ago.


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It shouldnt reduce it at all if tied correctly mate.


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Ive been using the moores knot and as long as it is tied correctly it has not failed me yet.
This one....
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rhinoking wrote:
Ive been using the moores knot and as long as it is tied correctly it has not failed me yet.


Thanks. have you been tying this successfully with fluorocarbon?


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The palomar was the only knot I was happy with attaching fluoro to leadcore.


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I don't use anything other than the moors knot for joining mono to leadcore Rob, It is a superb knot. I have not spliced leadcore wether for a choddy or behind a semi fixed set up for ages.

I have not used it with flouro, but i see no reason why it should not work. It's not a constricting knot and the flouro itself does'nt need to go through a tortuous route if you get my drift.

The absolutely beauty of this knot is that the knot diameter ends up no bigger than the leadcore diameter allowing anything to pass over it easily, and you end up with no tag end at all as you can hide it in the leadcore sheath.


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robhale wrote:
After not having a problem for ages I've suffered two needle knot failures in quick sucession with flourocarbon (xline). I'm using 6 turns in the knot. Does anyone have any alternatives that they use with flouro to leadcore leaders?


Rob have a look at the link below Terry Hearn vid . Gary

http://www.esp-carpgear.com/default.php?v=19

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robhale wrote:
rhinoking wrote:
Ive been using the moores knot and as long as it is tied correctly it has not failed me yet.


Thanks. have you been tying this successfully with fluorocarbon?


Yes Ive had no problems at all when tied exactly as the picture and well wetted when tightening down.
I Use 17lb xline and 25lb core. With no splice the bead passes over the knot very easy..

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rhinoking wrote:
robhale wrote:
Thanks. have you been tying this successfully with fluorocarbon?


Yes Ive had no problems at all when tied exactly as the picture and well wetted when tightening down.
I Use 17lb xline and 25lb core. With no splice the bead passes over the knot very easy..


Perfect, thanks for that - just the info and experience I needed and what I like most about this forum!

Thanks all for the answers, I'll get practising so I only have my fat fingers to blame for a knot failure now. :)


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my vote goes for a figure of 8 loop in the mainline and then a loop to loop to the leadcore

simple and has not let me down yet

just make sure that you do a figure of 8 and not an over hand loop :)

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Q,

Try tying your leader on with a Moors knot, once you have done a few i very much doubt you will go back to loops.


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P1mark wrote:
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Try tying your leader on with a Moors knot, once you have done a few i very much doubt you will go back to loops.


the thing is, when I swap rigs I tend to make up a complete lead, rig and leadcore system and then when I reel in just swap the lot over. With a loop to loop you just un thread it and swap over ( I use big loops in the mainline)

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